Félicitation pour ce beau travail de débunking !

Je sollicite une petite précision : vous annoncez "1 mort pour 220 contaminés". Cela me paraît beaucoup. D'après ce que j'ai entendu aux informations, du moins pour la France (métropole et outre-mer), les cas de mortalité concernent tous des personnes présentant un état de santé critique pour lesquelles le virus grippal n'a peut être fait qu'avancer le décès de quelques jours. Y-a-t'il eu des décès de personnes "dans la force de l'âge" ne présentant aucune autre pathologie ?

D'autre part, j'ai entendu dire que le virus s'attaquait beaucoup plus aux personnes jeunes. Ce qui semblerait indiquer que les "vieux" aient déjà été en contact avec ce virus et que donc son apparition serait beaucoup plus ancienne qu'on ne le dit. Qu'en pensez-vous ?

Je fais tourner, ici aussi:
http://www.lejdd.fr//Societe/Sante/La-g ... m#comments

Pourquoi ne pas le proposer a http://rue89.com ?
C'est très lu et ton article est d'actualité.

J'éssais de mon coté ?

http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/09/06/1684537_le-brevet-du-vaccin-contre-le-h1n1-a-ete-depose-en-2007.html

le brevet aurait donc étét déposé en 2007.. pourquoi? comment ça?

The position of the Cultural Pediatricians on the new influenza A/H1N1 What we know for certain that this new flu virus H1N1, is that for now it has been less aggressive of the common seasonal flu. It therefore becomes difficult to understand why he was declared the pandemic actually changing the criteria of the definition (for example, has gone to the high mortality), explains Tom Jefferson of Cochrane Vaccines Field in an interview with Spiegel. But no one is able to say whether this virus will change in future and become dangerous. His behavior, like all viruses, it is absolutely unpredictable. The low mortality, ie those who died compared to cases reported so far in the countries where the A / H1N1 has already circulated widely (by 0.3% in Europe and 0.4% in the U.S.) may actually be even lower easy because a number of cases with mild symptoms are beyond the supervision and some deaths may be due to other causes and not only virus present. Symptoms of the new flu are very general (fever, cough, chills, muscle aches, malaise, vomiting or diarrhea) and, like those of seasonal influenza can be caused by many other viruses or bacteria. This is one of the reasons why the phenomenon of "flu" as a whole, is generally overestimated. Vaccines against the new H1N1 viruses are still under experimentation. Nobody is able today to find out if and how much will be effective and safe. But to become aggressive virus should change (mutation? Reassortment with other viruses?), And vaccines targeted to the virus present may not be useful. Safety is the World HEALTH (WHO) that the European medicines agency (EMEA), point out the need for careful post-marketing surveillance to detect any side effects that may occur with use on large numbers, because some vaccines are prepared with new technologies. We have already seen during the pandemic of 1976, several cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome (peripheral neuropathy) associated with the vaccination of millions of Americans against a virus which is also derived from pork. Who decides to get vaccinated, should sign an "informed consent" explaining with precision the benefits and risks. As for the vaccine against seasonal influenza, recent studies confirm the doubts about its efficacy in both children and the elderly. And under 2 years of age, was completely ineffective. You do not see therefore no reason to offer the vaccination season healthy children, for which in addition to everything, says the European Center for Disease Control (ECDC), basic information used to make decisions such as the impact of real influence (number of cases , hospitalizations and complications) and in various childhood. Information that we have not. Concerning the antiviral to which the new virus was sensitive in the laboratory - Oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and to zanamivir (Relenza) - do not know how effective "in vivo". Currently we study. It is clear however that both are very effective against seasonal influenza and have already been reports of the new virus resistance to oseltamivir, in some countries (Denmark, Japan, China, USA). Also not forget that antivirals can give sometimes side effects. 18% of children in school and the United Kingdom who received oseltamivir at the epidemic of H1N1, presented neuropsychiatric symptoms and 40% gastrointestinal symptoms. Antivirals should therefore be used only on medical indication, and only for severe cases or people in poor health. Use of vaccines and antivirals, some people like Ernesto Burgio (ISDE Scientific Director, Doctors for the Environment) expressed further concern: both could promote the mutation of virus strains to more aggressive. What to do? Andr first of all keep calm and lucidity, to address the alarming spread daily by the media. If cases of influenza will be more numerous than usual or the virus were to become aggressive, it will be important to allow doctors and healthcare facilities turning to sicker patients. The closure of schools - with all its social consequences - it could be considered only if in the future were to circulate a virus highly aggressive (not the current H1N1). In this case you should also closed all the venues such as cinemas, discos, etc.. Instead we can implement immediately the only measures that have proved effective in preventing the spread of all respiratory viruses (such as H1N1 were to change though): - Wash your hands often and thoroughly with soap and water - to repair his mouth and nose when coughing or sneezing (and after washing his hands) - avoid touching eyes, nose and mouth, easy means of entry of the virus - to be at home when you have flu symptoms - avoiding crowded places where cases of disease is particularly high use of the mask was effective in healthcare environments, while other circumstances efficacy has not been established. Download the letter Download the press release Luisella Grandori: Chief Michael Gangemi vaccine group ACP: ACP President

Je sollicite une petite précision : vous annoncez "1 mort pour 220 contaminés". Cela me paraît beaucoup.

http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/09/06 ... -2007.html

le brevet aurait donc étét déposé en 2007.. pourquoi? comment ça?

The position of the Cultural Pediatricians on the new influenza A/H1N1 What we know for certain that this new flu virus H1N1, is that for now it has been less aggressive of the common seasonal flu. It therefore becomes difficult to understand why he was declared the pandemic actually changing the criteria of the definition (for example, has gone to the high mortality), explains Tom Jefferson of Cochrane Vaccines Field in an interview with Spiegel.

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Enfin il a tout de même dit que actuellement la grippe est moins, beaucoup moins grave que les prévisions que si elle mute ou se recombine elle pourrait devenir grave, mais que c'est le cas de tous les virus, enfin son doute majeur, si je résume bien, se résume dans ces chiffres 1 milliard d'euro pour des vaccins qui arriveront après le pic prévu d'infection, pour une grippe qui si elle mute risquent d'être inutiles, 800.000 euros le trou sur 3 ans d'une aide (?) sur les médicaments pour lesquels les politiques n'ont pas de fonds....

Hier sur France xx C à dire, il y avait débat avec le prof. Gentilini, qui assez ouvertement, au fond, critiquait les choix et décisions de l'OMS il essayait de maintenir un équilibre difficile un peu équilibriste pour ne pas critiquer les choix des politiques qui se basent sur les infos des scientifiques...

Enfin il a tout de même dit que actuellement la grippe est moins, beaucoup moins grave que les prévisions que si elle mute ou se recombine elle pourrait devenir grave, mais que c'est le cas de tous les virus, enfin son doute majeur, si je résume bien, se résume dans ces chiffres 1 milliard d'euro pour des vaccins qui arriveront après le pic prévu d'infection, pour une grippe qui si elle mute risquent d'être inutiles, 800.000 euros le trou sur 3 ans d'une aide (?) sur les médicaments pour lesquels les politiques n'ont pas de fonds...

Nous sommes dans une société dans laquelle c'est la faute de l'Etat, c'est la faute des scientifiques, c'est la faute à plus de bon sens...

Par contre sur le plan du choix politique, vous ne faites aucun commentaires, jamais, or je crois que c'est aussi un aspect majeur, maintenant et futur. au moins à 50%.